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The Irrationality of Protestant Theology Demonstrated By Protestants - Apologetics for the Masses #540
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The irrationality of Protestantism highlighted by some responses I received to my last newsletter.
General Comments
Hey folks,
3 things:
1) Just got back from Worcester, MA - not too far outside of Boston - where I spoke at the Worcester Diocesan Men's Conference. Had around 900 - 1000 men in attendance. Great group of guys, well-organized conference - had an awesome time! And had some outstanding seafood at a restaurant the night before!
2) I went to see the movie, Project Hail Mary, the other night. Very good movie...really well done. I highly recommend it. Haven't seen that many people in a movie theater in years, and it was a Monday night!
3) My daughter, McKenna, just flew to South Korea to begin a year of teaching English to 1st graders at a private school in Seoul. Given that, I would ask you to please keep her in your prayers - for her safety and that it will be a good experience for her, the kids she's teaching, and the school. She speaks Korean fairly well and she's living in housing provided by the school, and her boyfriend's family lives relatively nearby (he's Korean, but working as a lawyer in Houston) but it's still a bit unsettling to have your daughter to be so far away and on her own. So, any and all prayers for her would be most welcomed!
Introduction
Last week's newsletter - Apologetics for the Masses #539 - was focused on how Protestantism is the antithesis of Jesus' prayer for unity among His followers that we find in John 17:20-23. He prayed to the Father at the Last Supper that those who believed in Him through the words of the Apostles - i.e., Christians - would be one as He and the Father are one. Perfectly one He prayed. Protestantism, however, by its very nature - where every individual gets to read the Bible on their own and decide for themselves what is, and is not, authentic Christian belief and practice - works in opposition to Jesus' prayer. And I showed how and why in the last newsletter.
Well, I guess that newsletter apparently hit too close to home with a couple of people - Bookman Jim (aka Jim Andrews) and Tim Duma - both of whom I had gone a few rounds with 2-3 years ago (see Issues #435-436, and #473-476, respectively) . For some reason, that last newsletter prompted both of them to reach out to me again. I am of the opinion, that what is going on in cases such as these, is that these guys are driven to respond to something like last week's newsletter because there was a still small voice deep in their consciences whispering to them as they read the newsletter, and that voice was saying: "You know what he's writing is the truth...you know it is." But, instead of listening to that voice and beginning an honest search for, and evaluation of, the truth, they instead have to immediately respond to me to tell me I'm wrong. That's their coping mechanism. That's their way of shutting down that voice in their consciences. The thing is, though, it's really not me they're trying to convice...it's themselves.
Anyway, I'm going to feature those emails - and my responses - in the next couple of issues, because those two emails serve as perfect examples of exactly what I was saying in my last newsletter about how Protestantism works counter to Jesus' prayer at the Last Supper...the prayer for unity among His followers (John 17:20-23). Actually, they serve as perfect examples of what I was saying in my last two newsletters.
I'll cover the first of those emails - the one from Bookman Jim - and the dialogue that ensued from it, in this newsletter.
Challenge/Response/Strategy
Bookman Jim (aka Dr. Jim Andrews)
I have been researching the sacred names of the lord/god.
Question Background:
What is the name that was given to Moses in Ex 3:13 - 15 ?
Again, Thank you for your time,
My Response
Bookman Jim,
Do you believe the Bible is the Holy Spirit-inspired, inerrant, Word of God...yes or no?
If, yes, then in Acts 4:10, in the original Greek that the Book of Acts was written in, is "Iesous" the name that is used to refer to the Messiah...yes or no?
If, yes, then that means God the Holy Spirit, the 3rd Person of the Trinity, refers to the Messiah as "Iesous" in the Holy Spirit-inspired Book of Acts. If that's how God refers to Him, then why do you refer to Him otherwise?
If you answered, "No," that the Bible is not the Holy Spirit-inspired, inerrant, Word of God, then why are you quoting from it as if it is?
Two more questions:
1)In the Bible, who does Jesus give the power to "bind and loose" to?
2) Why are Catholic exorcists able to expel demons using the name of "Jesus"?
Thank you for your time.
John S. Martignoni, B.S., M.B.A., W.G.A.C., ...
Comments/Strategy
Again, I dealt with Bookman Jim a few years ago - Apologetics for the Masses - Issue #435 and Apologetics for the Masses - Issue #436. His big hangup is that Jesus should be referred to - in speech and in writing - only by His Hebrew name...Yahshua. That's why he asked those three questions:
1) What is the name that was given to Moses in Ex 3:13 - 15?
2) What name did the Messiah's parents call Him?
3) What name did the apostles, disciples, Paul use to refer to the Messiah?
The answers to those questions are:
1) The name God called Himself, which He gave to Moses at the burning bush, was "I Am". Or, in Hebrew, "Yahweh".
2) Well, they undoubtedly would have referred to Him by His Hebrew/Aramaic name...Yeshua. Or, as Bookman Jim writes it - Yahshuah. The name means "Yahweh saves", thus the reason for the 1st question.
3) They also would have undoubtedly referred to Him by His Hebrew/Aramaic name...Yeshua/Yahshuah.
So, Bookman Jim's point is that since Jesus' parents, as well as all of His Apostles and disciples, as well as the Apostle Paul, would have referred to Jesus by His Hebrew/Aramaic name (since they all spoke Hebrew or Aramaic), then that is the only name that anyone, anywhere, in every language, throughout all time, should refer to Jesus as.
He actually believes that if we do not get Jesus' name right - Yahshuah - then, when we "call upon the name of the Lord", He is not going to hear us if we call Him, "Jesus," because we are calling Him by a name that He doesn't recognize. We are calling the Messiah by a name that is not His. So, if we use the name "Jesus" to call upon the Lord, then we will suffer eternal damnation.
So, the obvious question to ask Bookman Jim is this: If "Yahshuah" is the one, and only, name that the Messiah should be called, then why does the Holy Spirit inspire all of the New Testament writers to originally write their books/letters of the New Testament in Greek and, in the Greek, call the Messiah by the name of "Iesous"? I mean, there are places in the New Testament where, even though Greek is the primary language, the writer inserts a Hebrew/Aramaic word. For example, Mark 5:41, 7:34, 14:36; Matthew 5:22 and 27:46; and John 20:16, amongst others. Also, Peter is referred to by his Aramaic name - Cephas - in several places: John 1:42; 1 Cor 1:12, 3:22, 9:5, 15:5; and a few places in Galatians.
So what gives? If Peter is often referred to by his Aramaic name in the Bible, why is Jesus never referred to by His Aramaic (or Hebrew) name in the Bible, especially if His Aramaic/Hebrew name is the one and only name He should ever be referred to by (according to Bookman Jim)? Did the Holy Spirit screw up? Or, maybe, is the Bible not inspired by the Holy Spirit? He needs to respond to that question. And, it is the one question that he absolutely will not touch.
Then, I ask him those two questions about binding and loosing and Catholic exorcists driving out demons using the name of "Jesus", because I had asked Him those two questions a couple of years back and never got an answer from him. Well, actually, I got a wrong answer from him on the binding and loosing question, because He said only Jesus has the power to bind and loose. They are important questions because, of the latter, if Catholic exorcists can drive out demons using the name "Jesus," as opposed to "Yahshuah," then that shows that the demons recognize the name, "Jesus," as being a valid name for the Messiah. As for the former question, the Bible tells us, in Matt 16 and in Matt 18, that the Church has the power to bind and loose, so if the Church says that it's okay to use the name "Jesus," for the Messiah, then, by the authority of the Church, it's okay for us to call the Messiah "Jesus".
And I love how he adds all of the letters after his name - "DDiv, BME, A+, CSS,..." - in an effort, I suppose, to impress me or to attempt to establish some sort of authority. I have no idea what a "BME" or an "A+" or a "CSS" are. And I really love the ellipsis after the "CSS", apparently indicating that he could have put even more titles down, but I guess he was too modest to do so. So I signed my response with my degrees - B.S. and M.B.A., and added an additional degree - W.G.A.C. (Who Gives A Crap) - and an ellipsis (indicating there could have been more...much more...and more after that...).
And, guess where Bookman Jim gets his belief on this from? Well, the Bible, of course! I mean it's right there in the Acts of Apostles, plain as day, where it's written: "Only refer to Messiah as Yahshuah. Using any name other than that for Messiah will cause you to be damned for all of eternity." That's chapter...well...uh...chapter...uhhmm...well...maybe it's not the Acts of the Apostles...but it's gotta be somewhere in the New Testament...right? Or else Bookman Jim wouldn't believe it...would he?! By the way, in case you don't already know, the name, "Jesus," means the exact same thing as the name, "Yahshuah"...Yahweh saves. So, this just goes to show you how bizarre the fruits of Sola [Man's Fallible Interpretations Of] Scriptura can be.
***The larger point here, however, and the main point of this newsletter, is that Bookman Jim's beliefs are fringe even for Protestantism. But, as long as he accepts Jesus into his heart as his personal Lord and Savior and believes in Sola Fide, guess what? He's part of the Church according to Protestant theology. Which demonstrates all too well that Protestantism, at its core, not only accepts irrational, bizarre, and even contradictory beliefs, but, by its fundamental nature and principle - Sola [Man's Fallible Interpretations Of] Scriptura - it essentially encourages individual readers of Scripture to come up with them. The fragmentation of beliefs and practices within the Body of Christ is inherent within Protestantism, which is why Protestantism stands 180 degrees in opposition to Jesus' prayer for unity in John 17:20-23.
You know, it's kind of ironic that all the other Protestants believe Bookman Jim is "saved," because he believes in salvation by faith alone and goes by the Bible alone, but Bookman Jim believes all the other Protestants are damned because they don't use the correct name when referring to Messiah - they call him "Jesus" instead of "Yahshuah". So are these Protestants "one" in such a way that it will cause the world to believe that Jesus was sent by the Father? Ain't no way. Bookman Jim has his own Protestant denomination - a denomination which condemns all other Protestant denominations to Hell. So, Bookman Jim's email is a classic demonstration of how Protestantism flies in the face of Jesus' prayer. Of how it divides rather than unites. Of how it disjoints and disfigures the Body of Christ.
I'll continue now with the rest of my conversation with the Bookman...here's his response to what I sent to him:
Bookman Jim (aka Dr. Jim Andrews)
My Response
1) You stated: "Bible (KJV) has been translated several times, not necessarily by inspired men. Errors have crept in."
Oh..."Errors have crept in." How convenient. Then how do you know anything in the "Bible (KJV)" can be trusted? Where exactly have the errors "crept in"? Which parts of the "Bible (KJV)" are in "error"? And, by the way, how do you know there are errors in the New Testament, unless you have the original to compare these error-ridden translations with? Do you have the original copies of the New Testament books, Jim? No, of course you don't. Which means your story about errors having "crept in" to the New Testament is a story that has been concocted, after the fact, in order to try to protect the garbage you are trying to peddle. Sorry, but I seriously doubt you have a DDiv if that's the best argument you can come up with. Or was it an online DDiv?
2) The Acts of the Apostles was originally written in Greek. So, everywhere in the Acts of the Apostles, where I read, in English, the name, "Jesus," in the original Greek, it is recorded as "Iesous", is it not? Yes, it is. Which means, even though Jesus may have spoken Hebrew to Saul in Acts 26:14, and may have even given Saul His name as it is in Hebrew - although it is not recorded as such - St. Luke, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, recorded it as "Iesous". Did he not? Indeed he did. Which means, God Himself had the Messiah's name recorded as "Iesous" in the inspired, inerrant, Scripture. So, if God doesn't care if the name of the Messiah is recorded as "Yahshua" or "Iesous", then why do you? And, if it doesn't matter to God if Jesus is called "Yahshua" or "Iesous", then it probably doesn't matter to Him that English-speakers call the Messiah by the Anglicized version of His name - Jesus.
Here's the thing, Bookman Jim, you simply cannot get around the fact that all throughout the 27 books of the New Testament - all of which, with maybe one exception, were originally written in Greek - the name of the Messiah is recorded, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit - as "Iesous"! "Iesous," not "Yahshua"!!! Now, why do you think God Himself had the writers of the New Testament write down the Messiah's name as "Iesous" - hundreds of times throughout the New Testament books - if we are only supposed to call Him "Yahshua"? Makes no sense, Jim...does it?! Unless, do you wish to claim that all the writers of the New Testament were in error? Or that error has crept into the New Testament in hundreds of places in all 27 books? That would be an absolutely ridiculous claim to make, because then how do you know anything in the New Testament - or the Old Testament for that matter - is trustworthy? Or, do you not believe the New Testament books were indeed inspired by the Holy Spirit?
A) Messiah's name as recorded in the original N.T. Greek - under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit - all throughout the New Testament? "Iesous."
B) Bookman Jim claims "Yahshuah" is the only proper name to use for the Messiah.
C) Conclusion: Bookman Jim believes the Holy Spirit was in error.
Sorry, Jim, but you just can't get around the logic. Which is why you have no logical argument in response.
3) I see you failed to even attempt a response at my other two questions:
A) In the Bible, who does Jesus give the power to "bind and loose" to? You previously stated in an email to me that only Jesus had this authority, but the Bible says differently, doesn't it, Jim? Indeed it does. Which means, you don't really know the Bible all that well, do you?
B) Why are Catholic exorcists able to expel demons using the name of "Jesus"?
In Christ Jesus,
John Martignoni
A disciple of Jesus, the Messiah
Comments/Strategy
He absolutely refuses to address the elephant in the room - why did the Holy Spirit inspire the writers of the New Testament to use the Greek name for Jesus - "Iesous" - if we shouldn't refer to "Messiah" by any name other than "Yahshuah". And, notice that when he quotes from Ephesians and Philippians, he inserts "Yahshua" into the text when that name does not appear in the text of the original Greek. Pretty dishonest.
Bookman Jim (aka Jim Andrews)
My Response
You just can't take on head-to-head the main point I've been making in these emails or in the previous exchange we had a couple of years ago, can you?!
You asked: "Have you read Acts 4:10+? The Holy Spirit speaking in Hebrew..." Yes, I've read Acts 4:10. The operative word being "read". Peter was undoubtedly speaking in either Hebrew, or Aramaic - probably the latter. However, we don't have an audio recording of his words, do we? No, we don't. Did you hear what Peter said? Or, did you read about what Peter said? And, when you, or anyone else in the world for the last 2000 years, read about what Peter said, if they were reading it in the original language the Book of Acts was written in - the original language the New Testament was written in, as inspired by the Holy Spirit - what name would they have read for the Messiah..."Iesous" or "Yahshuah"? Which one, Jim? Which one?
So, we have no audio recordings of Peter's words. What we do have, though, is a written record of his words...in Greek! So, while the Holy Spirit may have inspired Peter to say those words, and those words were originally spoken in Hebrew/Aramaic, the Holy Spirit also inspired Luke, and most if not all of the other New Testament writers - to write in Greek!!! How can you not understand that?! So, you say Hebrews 4:10 was a case of "The Holy Spirit speaking in Hebrew," but all of the New Testament is a case of the Holy Spirit writing in Greek!
Again:
1) Messiah's name as recorded in the original N.T. Greek - under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit - all throughout the New Testament? "Iesous".
2) Bookman Jim claims "Yahshuah" is the only proper name to use for the Messiah.
3) Conclusion: Bookman Jim believes the Holy Spirit was in error.
Should I trust the Holy Spirit, or Bookman Jim? Should I go by the Word of God...or the Word of Bookman Jim?
Respond to this argument or just stop and come to your senses. Why did the Holy Spirit inspire all of the New Testament writers to record the name of the Messiah in Greek - "Iesous" - if the only name we should call the Messiah is "Yahshuah"?
Why?!
Comments/Strategy
Notice what he says when I asked him where "Errors have crept in," in regard to the Bible: "Throughout the whole Bible the name YAHWEH (יהוה) has been mistranslated to LORD or GOD." He did not claim that the Greek name of Jesus - "Iesous" - had been recorded in error, now did he? I'm talking New Testament, so what does he do? He has to go back to the Old Testament to bring up what he considers to be translation errors. I'm not talking about translation errors, and he knows it. I'm asking him where errors have crept into the Bible - in the original Greek of the New Testament - and he knows that's what I'm talking about. But he cannot, and therefore will not even attempt to, respond to my argument about the Holy Spirit inspiring the writers of the New Testament to refer to Jesus as "Iesous" over and over and over again - over a thousand times - in the original Greek of the New Testament instead of referring to Him as "Yahshuah". He won't respond because that one fact absolutely demolishes his entire denomination's reason for existence.
He has yet to respond - although I think he might after he reads this newsletter.
Conclusion
Protestantism - does it work "fer or agin" Jesus' prayer for unity in John 17:20-23? The answer to that question is obvious...agin.
Thank you for your time.
I have been researching the sacred names of the lord/god.
I would like to add your observations, comments, criticisms, corrections, ...
Question Background:
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I Cor 8:5 "Gods many and lords many."
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II Cor 4:4 Satan is referred to as "the God of this world."
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There is no letter "J" or "J" sound in Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, Latin, or English (before the 17th century) making names like Joshua, Jeremayah, Joseph, Jesus impossible.
What is the name that was given to Moses in Ex 3:13 - 15 ?
What name did the Messiah's parents call Him ?
What name did the apostles, disciples, Paul use to refer to the Messiah ?
Again, Thank you for your time,
Dr Jim Andrews DDiv, BME, A+, CSS, ...
My Response
Bookman Jim,
Do you believe the Bible is the Holy Spirit-inspired, inerrant, Word of God...yes or no?
If, yes, then in Acts 4:10, in the original Greek that the Book of Acts was written in, is "Iesous" the name that is used to refer to the Messiah...yes or no?
If, yes, then that means God the Holy Spirit, the 3rd Person of the Trinity, refers to the Messiah as "Iesous" in the Holy Spirit-inspired Book of Acts. If that's how God refers to Him, then why do you refer to Him otherwise?
If you answered, "No," that the Bible is not the Holy Spirit-inspired, inerrant, Word of God, then why are you quoting from it as if it is?
Two more questions:
1)In the Bible, who does Jesus give the power to "bind and loose" to?
2) Why are Catholic exorcists able to expel demons using the name of "Jesus"?
Thank you for your time.
John S. Martignoni, B.S., M.B.A., W.G.A.C., ...
Comments/Strategy
Again, I dealt with Bookman Jim a few years ago - Apologetics for the Masses - Issue #435 and Apologetics for the Masses - Issue #436. His big hangup is that Jesus should be referred to - in speech and in writing - only by His Hebrew name...Yahshua. That's why he asked those three questions:
1) What is the name that was given to Moses in Ex 3:13 - 15?
2) What name did the Messiah's parents call Him?
3) What name did the apostles, disciples, Paul use to refer to the Messiah?
The answers to those questions are:
1) The name God called Himself, which He gave to Moses at the burning bush, was "I Am". Or, in Hebrew, "Yahweh".
2) Well, they undoubtedly would have referred to Him by His Hebrew/Aramaic name...Yeshua. Or, as Bookman Jim writes it - Yahshuah. The name means "Yahweh saves", thus the reason for the 1st question.
3) They also would have undoubtedly referred to Him by His Hebrew/Aramaic name...Yeshua/Yahshuah.
So, Bookman Jim's point is that since Jesus' parents, as well as all of His Apostles and disciples, as well as the Apostle Paul, would have referred to Jesus by His Hebrew/Aramaic name (since they all spoke Hebrew or Aramaic), then that is the only name that anyone, anywhere, in every language, throughout all time, should refer to Jesus as.
He actually believes that if we do not get Jesus' name right - Yahshuah - then, when we "call upon the name of the Lord", He is not going to hear us if we call Him, "Jesus," because we are calling Him by a name that He doesn't recognize. We are calling the Messiah by a name that is not His. So, if we use the name "Jesus" to call upon the Lord, then we will suffer eternal damnation.
So, the obvious question to ask Bookman Jim is this: If "Yahshuah" is the one, and only, name that the Messiah should be called, then why does the Holy Spirit inspire all of the New Testament writers to originally write their books/letters of the New Testament in Greek and, in the Greek, call the Messiah by the name of "Iesous"? I mean, there are places in the New Testament where, even though Greek is the primary language, the writer inserts a Hebrew/Aramaic word. For example, Mark 5:41, 7:34, 14:36; Matthew 5:22 and 27:46; and John 20:16, amongst others. Also, Peter is referred to by his Aramaic name - Cephas - in several places: John 1:42; 1 Cor 1:12, 3:22, 9:5, 15:5; and a few places in Galatians.
So what gives? If Peter is often referred to by his Aramaic name in the Bible, why is Jesus never referred to by His Aramaic (or Hebrew) name in the Bible, especially if His Aramaic/Hebrew name is the one and only name He should ever be referred to by (according to Bookman Jim)? Did the Holy Spirit screw up? Or, maybe, is the Bible not inspired by the Holy Spirit? He needs to respond to that question. And, it is the one question that he absolutely will not touch.
Then, I ask him those two questions about binding and loosing and Catholic exorcists driving out demons using the name of "Jesus", because I had asked Him those two questions a couple of years back and never got an answer from him. Well, actually, I got a wrong answer from him on the binding and loosing question, because He said only Jesus has the power to bind and loose. They are important questions because, of the latter, if Catholic exorcists can drive out demons using the name "Jesus," as opposed to "Yahshuah," then that shows that the demons recognize the name, "Jesus," as being a valid name for the Messiah. As for the former question, the Bible tells us, in Matt 16 and in Matt 18, that the Church has the power to bind and loose, so if the Church says that it's okay to use the name "Jesus," for the Messiah, then, by the authority of the Church, it's okay for us to call the Messiah "Jesus".
And I love how he adds all of the letters after his name - "DDiv, BME, A+, CSS,..." - in an effort, I suppose, to impress me or to attempt to establish some sort of authority. I have no idea what a "BME" or an "A+" or a "CSS" are. And I really love the ellipsis after the "CSS", apparently indicating that he could have put even more titles down, but I guess he was too modest to do so. So I signed my response with my degrees - B.S. and M.B.A., and added an additional degree - W.G.A.C. (Who Gives A Crap) - and an ellipsis (indicating there could have been more...much more...and more after that...).
And, guess where Bookman Jim gets his belief on this from? Well, the Bible, of course! I mean it's right there in the Acts of Apostles, plain as day, where it's written: "Only refer to Messiah as Yahshuah. Using any name other than that for Messiah will cause you to be damned for all of eternity." That's chapter...well...uh...chapter...uhhmm...well...maybe it's not the Acts of the Apostles...but it's gotta be somewhere in the New Testament...right? Or else Bookman Jim wouldn't believe it...would he?! By the way, in case you don't already know, the name, "Jesus," means the exact same thing as the name, "Yahshuah"...Yahweh saves. So, this just goes to show you how bizarre the fruits of Sola [Man's Fallible Interpretations Of] Scriptura can be.
***The larger point here, however, and the main point of this newsletter, is that Bookman Jim's beliefs are fringe even for Protestantism. But, as long as he accepts Jesus into his heart as his personal Lord and Savior and believes in Sola Fide, guess what? He's part of the Church according to Protestant theology. Which demonstrates all too well that Protestantism, at its core, not only accepts irrational, bizarre, and even contradictory beliefs, but, by its fundamental nature and principle - Sola [Man's Fallible Interpretations Of] Scriptura - it essentially encourages individual readers of Scripture to come up with them. The fragmentation of beliefs and practices within the Body of Christ is inherent within Protestantism, which is why Protestantism stands 180 degrees in opposition to Jesus' prayer for unity in John 17:20-23.
You know, it's kind of ironic that all the other Protestants believe Bookman Jim is "saved," because he believes in salvation by faith alone and goes by the Bible alone, but Bookman Jim believes all the other Protestants are damned because they don't use the correct name when referring to Messiah - they call him "Jesus" instead of "Yahshuah". So are these Protestants "one" in such a way that it will cause the world to believe that Jesus was sent by the Father? Ain't no way. Bookman Jim has his own Protestant denomination - a denomination which condemns all other Protestant denominations to Hell. So, Bookman Jim's email is a classic demonstration of how Protestantism flies in the face of Jesus' prayer. Of how it divides rather than unites. Of how it disjoints and disfigures the Body of Christ.
I'll continue now with the rest of my conversation with the Bookman...here's his response to what I sent to him:
Bookman Jim (aka Dr. Jim Andrews)
Bible (KJV) has been translated several times, not necessarily by inspired men. Errors have crept in.
Acts 4:10+ was being spoken by the Holy Spirit;
Acts 4:10+ was being spoken by the Holy Spirit;
Act_21:40 And when he had given him permission, Saul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And, when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,
Act_22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
Act_26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue YAHSHUA (יהושע) is the name of the Messiah.
Remember, names don't translate (meaning -> meaning), names transliterate (sound -> sound), so no matter what the language, His names is YAHSHUA, pronounced YAHSHUA.
Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Savior, Yahshua (יהושע) the Messiah.
Eph 3:15 Of Whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Eph 3:15 Of Whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Php_2:10 That at the name of Yahshua (יהושע) every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Mal 2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
Mal 2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto My name, saith Yahweh of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings; yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Mal 2:3 Behold I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts: and one shall take you away with it.
Thank you for your input,
Jim
My Response
1) You stated: "Bible (KJV) has been translated several times, not necessarily by inspired men. Errors have crept in."
Oh..."Errors have crept in." How convenient. Then how do you know anything in the "Bible (KJV)" can be trusted? Where exactly have the errors "crept in"? Which parts of the "Bible (KJV)" are in "error"? And, by the way, how do you know there are errors in the New Testament, unless you have the original to compare these error-ridden translations with? Do you have the original copies of the New Testament books, Jim? No, of course you don't. Which means your story about errors having "crept in" to the New Testament is a story that has been concocted, after the fact, in order to try to protect the garbage you are trying to peddle. Sorry, but I seriously doubt you have a DDiv if that's the best argument you can come up with. Or was it an online DDiv?
2) The Acts of the Apostles was originally written in Greek. So, everywhere in the Acts of the Apostles, where I read, in English, the name, "Jesus," in the original Greek, it is recorded as "Iesous", is it not? Yes, it is. Which means, even though Jesus may have spoken Hebrew to Saul in Acts 26:14, and may have even given Saul His name as it is in Hebrew - although it is not recorded as such - St. Luke, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, recorded it as "Iesous". Did he not? Indeed he did. Which means, God Himself had the Messiah's name recorded as "Iesous" in the inspired, inerrant, Scripture. So, if God doesn't care if the name of the Messiah is recorded as "Yahshua" or "Iesous", then why do you? And, if it doesn't matter to God if Jesus is called "Yahshua" or "Iesous", then it probably doesn't matter to Him that English-speakers call the Messiah by the Anglicized version of His name - Jesus.
Here's the thing, Bookman Jim, you simply cannot get around the fact that all throughout the 27 books of the New Testament - all of which, with maybe one exception, were originally written in Greek - the name of the Messiah is recorded, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit - as "Iesous"! "Iesous," not "Yahshua"!!! Now, why do you think God Himself had the writers of the New Testament write down the Messiah's name as "Iesous" - hundreds of times throughout the New Testament books - if we are only supposed to call Him "Yahshua"? Makes no sense, Jim...does it?! Unless, do you wish to claim that all the writers of the New Testament were in error? Or that error has crept into the New Testament in hundreds of places in all 27 books? That would be an absolutely ridiculous claim to make, because then how do you know anything in the New Testament - or the Old Testament for that matter - is trustworthy? Or, do you not believe the New Testament books were indeed inspired by the Holy Spirit?
A) Messiah's name as recorded in the original N.T. Greek - under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit - all throughout the New Testament? "Iesous."
B) Bookman Jim claims "Yahshuah" is the only proper name to use for the Messiah.
C) Conclusion: Bookman Jim believes the Holy Spirit was in error.
Sorry, Jim, but you just can't get around the logic. Which is why you have no logical argument in response.
3) I see you failed to even attempt a response at my other two questions:
A) In the Bible, who does Jesus give the power to "bind and loose" to? You previously stated in an email to me that only Jesus had this authority, but the Bible says differently, doesn't it, Jim? Indeed it does. Which means, you don't really know the Bible all that well, do you?
B) Why are Catholic exorcists able to expel demons using the name of "Jesus"?
In Christ Jesus,
John Martignoni
A disciple of Jesus, the Messiah
Comments/Strategy
He absolutely refuses to address the elephant in the room - why did the Holy Spirit inspire the writers of the New Testament to use the Greek name for Jesus - "Iesous" - if we shouldn't refer to "Messiah" by any name other than "Yahshuah". And, notice that when he quotes from Ephesians and Philippians, he inserts "Yahshua" into the text when that name does not appear in the text of the original Greek. Pretty dishonest.
Bookman Jim (aka Jim Andrews)
"Oh...errors have crept in. How convenient. Then how do you know anything in the "Bible (KJV)" can be trusted? Where exactly have the errors "crept in"? Which parts of the "Bible (KJV)" are in "error"?"
Throughout the whole Bible the name YAHWEH (יהוה) has been mistranslated to LORD or GOD.
"And, if it doesn't matter to God if Jesus is called "Yahshua" or "Iesous", then it probably doesn't matter to Him that English-speakers call the Messiah by the Anglicized version of His name - Jesus." Have you read Acts 4:10+? The Holy Spirit speaking in Hebrew; ONE name for salvation, dispite mistranslations, misinterpolations, mistransliterations. Act_26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Act 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith.) Several other places where the Holy Spirit communicates with the patriarchs in Hebrew.
Where do you see that it doesn't matter to YAHWEH or YAHSHUA what name He is referred to?
Is 42:8 YAHWEH is my name, I will give glory to no other name
Ps 72:17 Name forever/ as long as sun
Zach 14:9 One YHWH, and His name one
Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob as El-Shaddi, but by My name, YAHWEH, was I not known to them.
Seems to me that you are on shaky ground;
Mal 2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
Mal 2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto My name, saith Yahweh of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings; yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Mal 2:3 Behold I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts: and one shall take you away with it.
Jim
My Response
You just can't take on head-to-head the main point I've been making in these emails or in the previous exchange we had a couple of years ago, can you?!
You asked: "Have you read Acts 4:10+? The Holy Spirit speaking in Hebrew..." Yes, I've read Acts 4:10. The operative word being "read". Peter was undoubtedly speaking in either Hebrew, or Aramaic - probably the latter. However, we don't have an audio recording of his words, do we? No, we don't. Did you hear what Peter said? Or, did you read about what Peter said? And, when you, or anyone else in the world for the last 2000 years, read about what Peter said, if they were reading it in the original language the Book of Acts was written in - the original language the New Testament was written in, as inspired by the Holy Spirit - what name would they have read for the Messiah..."Iesous" or "Yahshuah"? Which one, Jim? Which one?
So, we have no audio recordings of Peter's words. What we do have, though, is a written record of his words...in Greek! So, while the Holy Spirit may have inspired Peter to say those words, and those words were originally spoken in Hebrew/Aramaic, the Holy Spirit also inspired Luke, and most if not all of the other New Testament writers - to write in Greek!!! How can you not understand that?! So, you say Hebrews 4:10 was a case of "The Holy Spirit speaking in Hebrew," but all of the New Testament is a case of the Holy Spirit writing in Greek!
Again:
1) Messiah's name as recorded in the original N.T. Greek - under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit - all throughout the New Testament? "Iesous".
2) Bookman Jim claims "Yahshuah" is the only proper name to use for the Messiah.
3) Conclusion: Bookman Jim believes the Holy Spirit was in error.
Should I trust the Holy Spirit, or Bookman Jim? Should I go by the Word of God...or the Word of Bookman Jim?
Respond to this argument or just stop and come to your senses. Why did the Holy Spirit inspire all of the New Testament writers to record the name of the Messiah in Greek - "Iesous" - if the only name we should call the Messiah is "Yahshuah"?
Why?!
Comments/Strategy
Notice what he says when I asked him where "Errors have crept in," in regard to the Bible: "Throughout the whole Bible the name YAHWEH (יהוה) has been mistranslated to LORD or GOD." He did not claim that the Greek name of Jesus - "Iesous" - had been recorded in error, now did he? I'm talking New Testament, so what does he do? He has to go back to the Old Testament to bring up what he considers to be translation errors. I'm not talking about translation errors, and he knows it. I'm asking him where errors have crept into the Bible - in the original Greek of the New Testament - and he knows that's what I'm talking about. But he cannot, and therefore will not even attempt to, respond to my argument about the Holy Spirit inspiring the writers of the New Testament to refer to Jesus as "Iesous" over and over and over again - over a thousand times - in the original Greek of the New Testament instead of referring to Him as "Yahshuah". He won't respond because that one fact absolutely demolishes his entire denomination's reason for existence.
He has yet to respond - although I think he might after he reads this newsletter.
Conclusion
Protestantism - does it work "fer or agin" Jesus' prayer for unity in John 17:20-23? The answer to that question is obvious...agin.
Closing Comments
I hope all of you have a great week. I pray for all of you and your families each and every day, please keep the Bible Christian Society and my family in yours! God bless!
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